Do you believe in the Rapture?

Posted in For God with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , on February 21, 2019 by cavalier973

Do you believe in the Rapture?

This question is often misunderstood as “Do you believe in the Pre-Tribulational Rapture?” which I imagine greatly annoys my brothers and sisters in Christ who hold to a Mid-trib, Pre-Wrath, and/or Post-trib view of the Rapture. The question of whether the Rapture happens at all is separate from the timing of the Rapture.

So, where does the idea of the Rapture come from? The first place (in book order) is from Matthew 24:36-44. All quotes are from the King James Version.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
(Now, a lot of Pre-trib teachers object that this is not a Rapture passage, that it is a message to a Jewish audience, and does not apply to Church Age believers, however the description that Jesus gives in that passage is very indicative of a Rapture event. I will circle back to this point later.)

The next place that a Rapture event is implied is the Gospel of John chapter 14, versus 1-3.

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

After that, we have 1 Corinthians 15:50-52.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Then, the famous (and more straightforward) 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Those are the big ones. There are other passages that possibly hints at a Rapture event, or may not, but those are enough for a Bible student to conclude that there will be some sort of event where living believers will experience a miraculous transformation and transportation “at the coming of the Lord”, avoiding death in the process. I am not saying that everyone who reads the Bible should or even will conclude that a Rapture event is predicted, just that it is a reasonable conclusion one could make.

Now, as to the timing: I am definitely in the Pretribulational Rapture camp. The reason doesn’t involve a lot of cross-referencing Bible passages and unassailable arguments. I recognize that I could be wrong. I base my view primarily on the previously quoted Matthew 24 and on Luke 17:26-30:

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In each example that Jesus gives–Noah and Lot–the situation was thus: God was going to rain judgement on the earth, but He first evacuated His faithful followers. In Lot’s case, the angel said that he couldn’t start the destruction of Sodom until Lot was safely away. The angels had to literally take Lot and his wife and his daughters by their hands and physically drag them from the city. In Noah’s case, God gave Noah the plan for the ark, Noah built the ark, God brought the animals to Noah, and then God shut the door once Noah and his family and the animals were inside. Noah got to go inside the ark; he didn’t have to ride on top of it. Noah didn’t have a single drop of rain splash his cheek. The angel didn’t give Lot an asbestos umbrella. Lot didn’t have to flick sparks from his tunic as he ran (was dragged).  They were each in complete safety before God’s judgement fell.
Secondarily, I base my belief in the Pre-Tribulational timing of the Rapture on Daniel’s “70 weeks” prophecy, in Daniel chapter 9. Here is the key verse (24):
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Notice that Gabriel (who is the speaker here) says “thy people and upon thy holy city”? The “Seventy Weeks”–which includes the seven-year period we call “the Tribulation”, is for “Daniel’s people”, which would be Israel, and “Daniel’s holy city”, which would be Jerusalem. The Tribulation does not concern the Church at all. This is Israel’s time to again be the focus of God’s attention; He will bring the nation back to belief in Himself, and in their true Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. In doing so, He will remove Satan as “god of this world”, and Jesus will take His rightful place on David’s throne. This is what Christians pray for when they recite “Thy kingdom come” in the so-called Lord’s Prayer.
There are more reasons to accept the Pre-Tribulational Rapture teaching, which are better explained at places like www.pre-trib.org. Those are the main reasons that I accept it.
Now, the Matthew 24 passage and the Rapture: Pre-tribulational proponents argue that this passage is Jesus talking to Jews, and so the section that speaks of “one taken, and the other left” is actually talking about the Second Coming of Christ, and that, based on the phrase concerning those that the flood took away, the “taken” means taken to judgement, and the “left” means left on earth to enjoy the Millennial Kingdom. However, if you take your Blue Letter Bible app, and look up the words “took” and “taken” in that passage, you will see that they are different words. If you further do a word study for the Greek word for “taken”, you will see that the first instance of the word in the New Testament is when God tells Joseph to take Mary to be his wife, and then it says that Joseph took Mary to be his wife. He didn’t take her to judgement. The word for “taken” means to “carry along”, as with the case of someone taking a friend with him on a journey. Meanwhile, the word for “left” can mean “abandoned”, “divorced”, or “sent away”. I don’t know, but the idea of being “abandoned” to the Millennial kingdom doesn’t sound quite right. I got this insight, by the way, from Robert Breaker in his Youtube Video on the passage. Mr. Breaker argues that the information Jesus gives here is to His disciples in a private session, and not to the Jews generally, and that He answers their questions in reverse order (Matthew 24:3):
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
He tells them what the signs of His coming and of the end of the world in verses 4 through 35, then in verses 36 through 44, talks about the timing. Just reading this last passage gives clues that those who will experience judgement don’t know it’s coming; they continue doing regular, everyday activities like eating, drinking, and marrying–they are living life normally, then, suddenly, one is “taken” and the other “left”. Even a cursory reading of the end times scenario described in Revelation would imply that life at the end of the Tribulation will be anything but normal. I doubt there will be much “eating and drinking”, because there will be no food or water, to speak of. I doubt that marriage will be a priority on anyone’s agenda over just surviving. The best counter to this argument that I have found is here, mainly because the author recognizes that the words for “taken” and “left” don’t fit with the idea of “taken to judgement” and “left to enter the kingdom in blessing”. However, his argument:
But more importantly I think the Lord’s point here was that just as people had no idea the world was about to end in the days leading up to the flood, no one will know the world is about to end in the days leading up to the second coming.
I find weak, for the simple fact that the time leading up to Noah’s flood was apparently uneventful, while the people who have gone through the Tribulation will know that the end of the world is at hand. They even say so, at the breaking of the sixth seal (Revelation 6:15-17):
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Everyone knows what’s going on. It’s not going to be a surprise. Further, they can grab the few remaining copies of the Bible from night stands in abandoned hotel rooms and figure out they’ve got whatever amount of time remaining, based on the signposts given in Revelation. The repeated assertion in Matthew 24 that the coming of the Lord will be unexpected (“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only“,  “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come“, “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh“, “The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of“)  seems much more in line with the imminent Rapture of the Church than the detailed and obvious events leading the the Second Coming of Christ.
There are other arguments against Matthew 24 being a Rapture passage, but I can’t think of them, right now. Maybe tomorrow. Whatever they are, I have not found them persuasive.
The important thing to do in the meantime is to believe in Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, for your salvation. He has paid all the expenses, He has made all arrangements, and only requires that you believe in Him. I urge you to do so.
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The Divinity of Jesus of Nazareth

Posted in Uncategorized on February 11, 2019 by cavalier973
Matthew 16
“15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”
John 1
“1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all menthrough him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
John 5:18 – 47
“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light. But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
John 8
“58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
John 9
“35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him,Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.”
John 20
“26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust itinto my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Superbowl prediction

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Pompeo and the Rapture

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The Superiority of the KJV over “Modern Translations”

Posted in Uncategorized on December 15, 2018 by cavalier973

Check this out.

It is Revelation 5:9-10. It is part of the song of the Elders. Notice that every translation excepting the King James/New King James makes God’s salvation impersonal (“You have purchased for God people from every tribe”, etc.) and in verse 10 uses the pronoun “them” instead of “us”.

Now, for a relevant digression. Turn to the Gospel of Mark, chapter 16. You may notice verses 9-20 are bracketed, with a footnote saying something like, “the oldest and best manuscripts do not contain these verses”. The implication is that these verses were added later by well-meaning scribes who felt the account as it ends in verse 8 was incomplete (“They went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had gripped them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.“)

The reason the “oldest” manuscripts don’t contain the verses, as it turns out, isn’t because later scribes inserted them, but because the authors of the “oldest and best” manuscripts removed them, possibly for theological reasons. The two (it seems there are only two “o&b” manuscripts) were written by Gnostic or Gnostic-sympathetic authors, who wouldn’t like all this talk about Jesus literally and physically rising from the dead, so they took that section out. We know, however, that the 9-20 section existed prior to these “o&b” manuscripts, because we have earlier writings that quote from these verses. If you have some extra time, do some research just on Mark 16:9-20. Here is an article that argues for rhe passage’s authenticity.

Back to Revelation 5. My point about all this is the identity of the Elders. We know that the Elders are twenty-four in number, sit on thrones, are dressed in white robes, wear crowns, and are not the same as angels, living creatures, or tribulation saints. With a proper translation of chapter 5, versus 9-10, we also know that they are a redeemed people. This is important for understanding who the Elders actually are: the Elders are representatives and members of Christ’s Church.

This is important for eschatological reasons. Probably a majority of Christians today, if they have any cognizance of end times theology, believe that the Church will suffer through God’s wrathful judgement on the world, as described in the prophecy of Revelation (or, they might have adopted Preterism, and believe that the prophecies of Revelation and other Scriptures have already been fulfilled). However, the Elders represent Church already in Heaven, before the Lamb of God begins opening the seals, which act initiates God’s final judgement that is known as the Tribulation. Their presence is evidence that the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church is correct.

Let’s try this again

Posted in Uncategorized on December 9, 2018 by cavalier973

Timeline:

12:00: Eddie Piper sees Oswald on the 1st floor of the TSBD. 1

12:00 – 12:10: (estimated time) Bonnie Ray Williams goes to 6th floor to eat lunch (sees and hears no one) (?) 2

12:12: Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald in hallway between front door and double doors a few minutes before 12:15 3

12:15– 12:25: Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald in the1st floor Lunch Room 4

12:15: Arnold Rowland sees man with Rifle on 6th floor West Window (slender, dark hair, light shirt open at neck; other man was “colored” hanging out of East corner window) 5

12:15– 12:20: BRW takes elevator from 6th to 5th floor leaving Dr.Pepper bottle and partially eaten chicken behind (?) (sees and hears no one) 6

12:18: Howard Brennan sees man on 6th floor (no rifle visible at this time). (w/m, early30’s, slender, 165-75, light clothing) 7

12:20- 12:25: Carolyn Arnold looks through glass door and sees Oswald inside on 1st floor near front of TSBD 8

12:26- 12:30: Ruby Henderson sees two men on 6th/ or Top floor. One dark (Mexican or Negro), and was wearing a white shirt. The other man was the taller and lighter of the two 9

12:28: Richard Carr sees heavy set man, what, glasses, tan sport coat in 2nd window from East corner, 6th floor. 10

12:29: Carolyn Walther sees two men w/ Rifle in 5th floor SE corner Window. (one man wearing brown suit coat) 11

12:29 Robert Edwards see w/m in 6th floor SE corner window, light colored shirt, short sleeve, open neck, possibly thin 12

12:29 Ronald Fischer sees Man in 5th floor “right corner” window, man was laying down,could only see head, light headed and open neck shirt, man was in his twenties (Fischer will later change floor to 6th and shots from 4 to 3.) 13

12:29 – 12:30: Geneva Hine notes the lights are out on her phone system as motorcade approaches TSBD. 12:30 Oswald said he was on the first floor at the time of the shooting, then went up to the second floor lunchroom to get a coke. 14.

12:30 “Prayer Man” is standing at the top of the front steps of the TSBD where Buell Wesley Frazer is also standing, just above William Shelley and Lovelady, who are on lower steps.

12:30: Shots fired at JFK Limo.

12:30: Amos Euins sees Blackman with rifle in 6th floor SE corner window (later changed to white man) 15 This man firing the rifle also has white shirt and bald spot on top of head.

12:30: Howard Brennan sees white man w white shirt and Rifle in 6th floor SE corner window 16

12:30: Jack Dougherty is 10 feet west of West Elevator on 5th floor (within sight and sound of NW stairs); hears one shot. 17

12:30: Dillard Photo taken 3-15 seconds after shots shows Norman and Williams in SE 5th floor corner windows (and possibly Jarman inthe 4th window from the SE corner). They say they run to West Window after shots. 18

12:31: Vicky Adams and Sandra Styles descend the NW Rear stairs from the 4th floor to the 1st floor (see & hear no one). 19

12:31: Otis Williams runs up NW stairway to 4th floor (sees no one) goes back to his 2nd floor office (?) 20

12:31: Officer Baker enters TSBD front Entrance, runs past “Prayer Man” and goes to back w Truly, who shouts twice to release elevator. (no response). They see 2 white men by the elevators. (probably Shelley and Lovelady according to Adams) 21

12:31: Officer Barnett runs to guard back of TSBD (and Fire Escape on East Side). 22

12:31:30: Officer Baker and Roy Truly on 2nd floor by NW stairway; claim to see Oswald in Lunch room. 21

12:32: HSCA analysis show boxes in 6th floor window rearranged within 2 minutes of shooting. 22

12:32 – 12:33 Mrs. Reid returns to her 2nd floor office. Oswald calmly walks by her with coke in hand. 23

12:32 – 12:33 Deputy Roger Craig arrests a woman in her early thirties attempting to drive out of a private railyard parking lot. She was in a brown 1962 or 1963 Chevrolet . Craig turns her over to Deputy Sheriff Lummy Lewis. 24

12:32– 12:36: Carr sees the same man he previously saw in the window, walk away from the TSBD and get into a Rambler Station Wagon 10

12:32– 12:33: Officer Baker sees man on 3rd or 4th floor, w/m, 30 yrs old, 5’9, 165 lb, dark hair, light brown jacket. Manager vouches for this man and Baker lets him go. (Baker 11/22/63 affidavit) 25

12:33– 12:34: Officer Barnett moves from Back of TSBD to guard the Front entrance . 22

12:33 James Worrell see a man in a dark sportcoat and light colored pants dash out of the back of the TSBD about 3 minutes after shots fired at motorcade. Man was late 20’s /early 30’s, 5’8″, dark brown hair. Ran South on Houston. 26

12:33– 12:34: Dougherty takes West Elevator down to 1st floor. (?) Talks to Givens. 27

12:33– 12:34: Baker and Truly on 4th or 5th floor, spot East Elevator, but West elevator is missing 28 They take the East Elevator to the seventh floor and find nothing, return to fourth floor where Baker reports to Inspector Sawyer, the senior Dallas Police Department officer in the building.

12:33– 12:36: Officers Mooney, Vickery and Webster arrive at 1st floor rear elevator. Vickery and Webster take stairs up. Mooney takes elevator up to 2nd floor, where power goes off, he switches to the stairs and encounters ” some men he believes to be officers” in plain clothes coming down the stairs. He passes these men and continues up. 29

12:33– 12:36: In his report of 11/23/63, Det. Harry Weatherford claims that he, Mooney, Boone, Walters, and Webster all went into the rear of the TSBD together and ascend the stairs. Weatherford goes out the window to search the roof of the loading dock, then comes back in and searches the first floor [sic] with an “unknown DPD Detective” (?) Then he goes to the top floor and eventually joins Mooney and Co. on the 6th floor 30

12:34– 12:35:From across the street court clerk Lillian Mooneyham sees man standing by boxes on 6th floor of TSBD. 31

12:34– 12:36: Officer Mooney arrives for first quick survey (does not go to “sniper lair”) of 6th flloor, sees no one, then goes up to 7th floor. 29

12:34: Inspector Sawyer enters Front of TSBD, enters Passenger elevator; runs into “this Man”; goes up to 4th floor32

12:35: Baker and Truly are on roof of TSBD 33

12:36: Euins tells Officer Harkness shots came from 5th floor TSBD 34

12:36– 12:37: Harkness arrives at rear (North Loading dock) door of TSBD. Sees “some Secret Service Agents”.35

12:37: Sawyer retrurns to 1st floor, goes out in front to set up Command Post. 32

12:40 – 12:45: Dep. Craig hears whistle. Sees light green Nash Rambler Station Wagon stop; sees w/m, 140-150, brown hair, in his 20’s, white T shirt, runs down slope and gets inside. The Driver of the vehicle was husky latin, dark wavy hair, tan windbreaker jacket. Craig runs over to report this to the Command Post in front of the TSBD entrance and encounters a SS Agent (“40 years old, sandy-haired with a distinct cleft in his chin. He was well-dressed in a gray business suit”) 24

12:45: Description of suspect broadcast by DPD: w/m, 30, 5’10, 165, 30-30 (Winchester Rifle on Channel 2) 36

12:50 – 12:55: SSA Forest Sorrels returns from Parkland Hospital to the rear entrance of the TSBD and enters the building with no one checking his ID, the first genuine SS Agent to arrive on the scene. 37

12:58: Captain Fritz arrives at front entrance of TSBD 38

12:58: Mooney Leans out window and Signals Fritz, who is standing in front of TSBD (After leaving the 7thfloor,Mooney, Vickery, and Webster went down to 6th floor, where Mooney discovered SE corner window “sniper lair”, empty shells, chicken remnants and soda.. 39

1:22: Boone and Weitzman discover Rifle they idenitfy as a 7.65 Mauser, concealed between boxes on the 6th floor40

1:22 Truly tells DPD Capt. Lumpkin that one of his men – Oswald is missing. Lumplin confers privately with two or three other senior DPD officers and then escorts Truly up to the Sixth Floor where they interupt Capt. Fritz examining the rifle and Lumpkin tells Fritz that Truly has something important to tell Fritz, and Truly tells Frtiz about the missing employee – Oswald, and give Fritz Oswald’s address at Mrs. Paine’s home in Irving. Fritz then walks across the street to Sheriff Decker’s office where they confer privately before Fritz returns to his DPD office, where Oswald, under arrest, is waiting for him, having been arrested in the Tippit shooting.

[bK Notes, my additions to this chronology are not footnoted as to their source.]

References:

1. Eddie Piper Dallas Sheriff Affidavit of 11/23/63; also WC Testimony

2. Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony , Vol. III, pp 169-173 (left 6th floor at 12:20; was up there for 15 minutes)

3. CD5:41 Archives from Mary Ferrell Timeline

4. Anthony Summers 1978 interview with Carolyn Arnold/ Jim Marrs, Crossfire p. 49

5. Arnold Rowland, interviewed by Arlen Specter and Gerald Ford before the Warren Commission (10th March, 1964)

6. Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony , Vol.III – Page 173, March 24, 1964; http://www.jfk-assas…ol3/page173.php

7. Howard Brennan Dallas Sheriff statement: November 22, 1963. (Description). Howard Brennan FBI Report: January 7,1964. (Gave 12:18 as time of sighting)

8. Arnold’s 26 Nov 1963 statement is published by Weisberg (1967) p. 210, with discussion on pp. 74-75.The original handwritten statement says 12:25. When retyped by the FBI the time was changed to 12:15 (Guth & Wrone 1980, p. xxxii).
 This is cited by Don Thomas in Rewriting History:Bugliosi Parses the Testimony, http://www.maryferre…s_the_Testimony

9. Ruby Henderson FBI statement of 12/6/63. Saw men on 6th floor after ambulance had departed.

10. Richard Randolph Carr: http://www.aarclibra…DealeyPlaza.pdf, p. 8

11. http://www.aarclibra…DealeyPlaza.pdf

12. Robert Edwards WC Testimony on April 9. 1964, Vol VI, pp. 203- http://www.jfk-assas…ol6/page203.php

13. Ronald Fischer Dallas Sheriff’s Statement: November 22, 1963. 19H475; FBI Report: December 2,1963. CD205

14. Geneva Hines WC Testimony, 4/7/64 http://www.aarclibra…df/WH6_Hine.pdf

15. James Underwood WC Deposition,4/1/64, Vol. VI, p. 170, http://www.jfk-assas…ol6/page168.ph